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1445) Eileen Coughlin 
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10-16-2006 10:34 AM  Write a comment Send E-mail

This is to Frank C
Where is Tar Island?
I heard it before.
Thank You

John Burkard, Red Hook 10-16-2006 11:17 AM
Hello Eileen, I never heard of Tar Island,I think the reference is to "Tar Beach" (and you know storys do change as fast as time passes) which was everyones rooftop getto haven in the sun. Probably we all went up to the roofs and got a tan in those days because we couldn't afford to get to the beach.

frank c 10-16-2006 03:33 PM
eileen: the lot between columbia and dwight streets and verona was nicknamed tar island.a sonoco gas station was built on this lot in 1951 or so. it has since been replaced by homes frank c

frank c 10-16-2006 03:55 PM
john: the very small lot across the st. delavan st. we as kids called paradise we played a lot of softball on tar island for a very short time. frank c.
1444) ed murphy
carthage n, y.
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Hi Kathy Murray and Maria Monaco please send me your emails and phone #'s. my sister AnnMarie would like to correspond with both of you and anyone else she knew from red hook. she sometimes has trouble sending stuff on the computer.thanks, so much. God bless, ed murphy
1443) maryann paladino
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10-15-2006 05:05 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

hi mad joanne i had the website on yahoo but lost it can u give it to me again. hope your birthday was a good one. on my way down to court. st. in a few weeks to see everyone
1442) Joe Militano
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10-14-2006 07:11 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Roy Caputo:
I'll be sure to give Jimmy your regards.

Roy 10-15-2006 02:32 AM
Thanks Joe.
1441) Frank DiMeglio
Bayonne, NJ
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10-14-2006 03:04 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Frank C.

Juliette's was located on Old man Bartlett's lot, where he kept old wagons and lumber. We stole his wagons to build our election day fires. Bartlett had two sons Bill and Buddy.
Bill became a Captain in the Army in World War 2 and Buddy was a pretty good gymast in Manual Training High School, circa 1937-1941. They lived on Huntington Street between Columbia and Hicks Street. Some pretty good stickball and fist ball players lived on that street. Bill Bartlett, Joe and Tom Ryan, Tommie O'Toole, Luke
and Pat O'Donnel, William Morrisey, Tony Vargss, Pat Marcune, Frank Montelione, Sunny Garguilo, Tony Recito, Tucker etc. Then we had the best handball player in the neighborhood, Frank Tramantano also known as Splinter.

red hook 10-15-2006 11:12 AM
frank d. knew most of guys mentioned. saw mike recito 2 wks ago. my family lived on tar island, hung out in front of the candy store on columbia st. frank c.
1440) Patty Cozzati Laslo
Naples, Florida
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10-14-2006 11:36 AM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Just read the October Happenings Feature "Fort Defiance returns to Red Hook". I think that you both are doing a wonderful job in having Red Hook recognized for its rightful place in history. May all the Red Hook "Kids", however old and wherever they may be, take pride in their roots.
Many thanks for your efforts.

John Burkard, Red Hook 10-15-2006 12:01 AM
Thanks Patty, Mark has been wonderful bringing this Red Hook heritage to everyones attention on his website. My Father attended school in Red Hook, as well as myself, and my seven children. None of this valuable history was ever taught in our school system public or private. My ultimate goal is to see it included in the history curriculum at all NY City Schools. American history is the forgotten subject today, our schools are failing our kids and our Country. They need to know how this great nation began, its values, hopes and dreams, and opportunites for all our citizens.
1439) Betty Grillo/Avigliano
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10-13-2006 02:30 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Can someone please give me the site for the family pictures.

Thank you
1438) johnny perna 
siny ...
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hi lucille ...every word you said was true ...frankie did own that huge coop ...and your job was cleaning it ...... i will never forget those days lucille ..johnny

Lucy Suarez 10-13-2006 09:54 AM
Hey! Johnny... Yep! It was such a rotten job!~ They were living better than we were!The piedgons. And boy when something was wrong with them he'd pay any price to get them well again. The birds had more value to him than anything or anyone else! And I will never forget those days! On the positive side ...I remeber your Sunday dinners Your Mom would make Italian food , and always serve seltzer! I believe you guys ate every week between 1 & 2:00 Did I remeber correctly? Also I can remember your Dad (Pern/Terri)
1437) B. Jean Mahon
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10-12-2006 08:36 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

I was born in Bklyn in1929 and lived there til I was married in 1949. Went to Holy Name, and Manual Training. Graduated from MTHS in 1947; Holy Name in 1943. It would be interesting to know if anyone is still around who remembers me!

.Ben Butler 10-13-2006 09:52 AM
Dear Miss Jean...When was the last time you heard this song.
Probably with Mrs. Wolf at the auditorium piano.

Oh a students life in the Manuel High, is a round of fun.

For the work's worthwhile and the play is real, when studies done.
We will send out teams that are filled with zeal to win.

As they hear our far flung cry.

For it's cheer, cheer,
cheer once agian.

For good old Manuel High.
Benny "Basketball Team " Butler
Class of 55.

MTHS was a geat school with so many good people in it.
PS: For two years in a row I held the record on the team for most missed shots. That is until I grew to 6'5", then it changed.

Hope you liked the song.
1436) John Burkard, Red Hook
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10-12-2006 07:09 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Here's something for all those looking for phptos of Red Hook, My Good friend Bob Geelan, Historian from Pa sent the web address to me. Log on to now pay attention, on the left side of the screen look for digital collections, click on that, then when the screen comes up there's a space to type in your search, type in Red Hook and presto! you will see over 50 various photos 10 at a time. Good luck to all.And thanks Bob for your kindness, we all appreciate it.

Francis Campagna 10-13-2006 08:35 PM
Thank you John for the information. There were some great pictures.
1435) John Ryan
New Jersey
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10-12-2006 02:17 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Ben Butler,are you the older brother of Brian {Patrick}and Jimmy.

Ben Butler 10-13-2006 10:12 AM
Yes I am "the twins" older brother. We lived on Coffey St.
Van Brunt/Conover and hung out with different groups of friends. Tnat is how it was back in the day. Your name is familiar but I believe you hung with their group. I was three years older. My family moved from THE HOOK in 56 when I was in the Army in Germany. From there we split in three directions. Life got serious. Brian became a Cop in the NYC Port Authority, Jimmy went into the trucking business and I went into the Shipping Business.

John do you have any good stories about the young guys you can tell here.

Best regards
1434) Joe
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10-12-2006 02:16 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

My brother-in-law, Jim Corr had pidgeon's on his roof. He lived on Wolcott St.,near Conover St.

Rosario (Roy) Caputo 10-14-2006 01:57 AM
Joe, how is Jimmy. We lived down the block from the Corr family. More toward Van Brunt St. I played ball with Ritchie mostly but do remember a few touch football games with Jimmy. I was down the Hook one day they told me about Ritchie. I was heartbroken. We went way back. I was hoping it was not true. Please say hello to Jim for me. He may remember me. Thanks
1433) Lucy (Lucille) Fraser Suarez
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10-12-2006 10:18 AM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Pidgens! YUCKY YUCKY YUCKY! My step dad the late not so great FRANKIE LONGO , was the pidgen king of the point,of Red Hook... We lived at 342 Van Brunt St... Over Franks Barber Shoppe and in the yard he built a very expensive very large nothing butthe best coop...He had over 200 prized Hommers silver bars and such! We had to guard them with our lives! I still hear them coo coo and the smell yuck , guess who was selected to cleran and scrap the coop! He used to go to Rhode Island to race em BIG BUCKS were gambled let me tell ya! Till today I HATE pidgens!!!

John Burkard, Red Hook 10-12-2006 11:43 AM
Right on Lucy. How many Red Hook Moms had to reel in their kids diapers off clothes lines and rewash them because of the pidgeon droppings? I'll bet they are all in agreement with your yucky,yucks.....(LOL)

Tommy B. 10-12-2006 01:31 PM
Hi John,I was reading Time out N.Y. magazine, there was an article about best blocks in N.Y.C. & Vonover & Coffey was the 8th best block & 3rd Place between Court & Smith was 23rd ,if I'm correct that is out of 50 blocks. They also mention when your down by Coffey you can take a walk down by Valentino pier. Now dont forget when you do that you must stop by Defonte's & get one of those Valentino specials,regards!

John Burkard 10-12-2006 02:53 PM
For Tommy B, I live on Coffey St, and I'm suprised to hear about the honor. It makes me especially proud, When I first moved there nearl 50 yrs ago there was no trees, I managed to get all the trees planted with the exception of about four. As to Delfontes, it's the wrong direction from Valentino Pk, but I'll pick up a hero and bring it down to the pier(LOL) Regards, and Thanks for the info, John

babyann 10-12-2006 03:03 PM
Lucy & John B thanks for keeping this event about pigeons alive, My best memories are about my uncles on the roof's of my grandmothers house Carroll St. they would cross 5 houses, to maintain their beloved Pigeons
and as you said yucky was the word, they did stink and god for bid you Interfered with the home coming of these birds
I hated it we were not allowed to play in the yard to much noise and My aunt was not allowed to hang clothes

Lucy Suarez 10-14-2006 10:56 AM
I'll bet(no pun intended!) that most of the wives of pidhen owners never relized just how much gambling was going on with those pidgen races!!! I know it set the mood all week if it was a lose and they'd be joy for a day or too after a win!
1432) Babyann
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Hello all, anyone remember pigeon clubs in Our neighborhood??? well there was one Charlie Neal on Carroll St. off Columbia in the 50's He sold and raced the pigeons, can anyone name more??? I am sure you remember this and Tommy B. you would say I was a puppy, but you remember too, expecially on Court St. down near highway. I am sure there are some diehards out there today

madeline faiella 10-11-2006 07:06 PM
Matty pinto (RIP) flew his pigons from 69 woodhull st so did frankie mazzella (RIP) 91 woodhull street.
they would race the pigeons every sunday at red hook stadium to see who pigeon would be faster

Tommy B. 10-11-2006 07:27 PM
Hi Mad & Babyann, I do remember Matty Pinto flying pigeons, he did have a kid with him named Ray who practically lived on the roof flying them. I do have a friend Bobby who I hung out with on Woodhull St. who now flys them on Arden Ave in S.I. Now to change the subject I noticed you guys found the Manhattan Special site, take care!

madeline faiella 10-12-2006 09:23 AM
Ben Butler,
Besides buying a pickle for a nickle, gee babyruth,milkyway,
5 ave, honeybites,sugar daddy sucks,etc etc,
Now for a penny!!!!!!!
mike&ike 4 for a penny
red hats 4 penny
red hots penny
malt balls penny
must i go on lol :} m m m :}

babyann 10-12-2006 09:57 AM
hey you two youngens, remember pigeons clubs, had real races for money, pures was $25,000. from California to New York, in which all great homer pigeons flew the show was on channel 13 all about those days when it was really thriving. ask your Uncles about this I am sure they can tell you about the great members like Pat Cooper and Angelo from Carroll St.

Tommy B. 10-12-2006 07:36 PM
Hi Mad & Babyann, dont get angry with me but here is a little sense of humor, this site is going to the birds, everyone seems to have flown the coop! so keep on talking about pigeons, because back in july my whole family was on the site now it seems they have flown south for the winter, do you agree with me. Dont worry I'm not going nowhere I will be keeping in touch as always. Be good!

babyann 10-13-2006 10:54 AM
Tommy B seems that we are stuck to the coop here, we vacation North, don't like the snow, but I got someone to shovel pay them $20.00 each 2 kids so lucky it only snows 2 or 3 times. and as far as entertainment well Movies are good, Home or theatre, restaurants or just enjoying cup of coffee with friends in Starbucks or partying where ever there is always New York City, Plays,Broadway No better place than that we got it all and of course

madeline faiella 10-13-2006 12:03 PM
i do remember what your talking about with the tv , racing the pigeons for money, i didnt remember that that they flewto calf; i thought to va and pa etc etc lol
i guess i'm just a pup to young to remember lol :}
Tommy B
dont worry i'm not flying south any time to soon !
i was with your niece Annmarie last sunday with went pumpkin picking anf after we went to state park and ate and laugh and had a good time there was about 30 people just family and friends just having good time

madeline faiella 10-13-2006 12:05 PM
i do remember what your talking about with the tv , racing the pigeons for money, i didnt remember that that they flewto calf; i thought to va and pa etc etc lol
i guess i'm just a pup to young to remember lol :}
Tommy B
dont worry i'm not flying south any time to soon !
i was with your niece Annmarie last sunday with went pumpkin picking anf after we went to state park and ate and laugh and had a good time there was about 30 people just family and friends just having good time
1431) Babyann
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hello all, since we are talking about brooklyn, downtown to Redhook, can anyone tell me how many pigeon clubs/store's that were around in the 50's-60's and if there are any left in our great neighborhood. I can remember Charlie Neal's, on Carroll & Columbia Sts. he sold and raced pigeons and that was in the 50's....Tommy B I know you think you were a puppy but many of the die hards still fly them today. and I am sure some old timers remember this
1430) Frank DiMeglio
Bayonne, NJ
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10-11-2006 12:19 PM  Write a comment Send E-mail

Frank C.
I remember Julio's very well. Best lemonice in the world for two cents a white cup. Also hot dogs that made your mouth water for a nickle a piece. Julio had two sons one named after him and I believe the other one was John or Tom.
Julio was a vet from World War 1. He used to tell us kids that the wounded washed out their wounds with urine. Tom Burkhart, can you verify this or is it just another wild tale?

John Burkard, Red Hook 10-11-2006 12:56 PM
Hello Frank, sorry, my war time experience only dates back to when I was in Korea,(51) I would say there aren't many WW1 vets around anymore. I cannot help on your question about washing wounds out with urine, but I do know from my daughter who was supervisor of Laboratory techs in Methodist Hospital that years ago, before her time, they had to taste the urine to determine if it contained excess glucose. Gross, but very dedicated people don't you thin so?

frank 10-11-2006 02:58 PM
thanks for correcting my spelling.he was juliette and i don't recall his sons. do you remember the cork yard at that location during or after ww2 it made quite a fire later on. frank c

babyann 10-13-2006 10:57 AM
by some chance is Larry DeMeglio related to you, I went to 142 and so did he
1429) Joe Militano
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Ben Butler: Talking about what a nickle could buy. I lived in East New York during the second WW. I could buy a large loaf of Wonder Bread for 3 cent. Inside were about 5 baloons. The baloons were and still are on the wrapper.

Ben Butler 10-11-2006 10:44 PM
Joe/Ben WOW Silvercup 3 cents.I believe it came out just after the war.The white sponge.
I recall the people would not eat it because they complained it was "Air Bread". The texture was very light and not like Silvercup and Bond Bread that you could also get it unsliced if you wanted it. Remember? Also the best I could do on the Italian Bread was 9 cents a long loaf from Tessey and Frank Bunocore's on Van Brunt in Red Hook. 1940's.
What I would not give for a loaf of Levy's seeded Jewish Rye for 10 cents. It came un wrapped, I would not eat the end with the stamp on it though. I thought it was licked on. I still eat a loaf close to it from Fairway.

How about chocolate Houten bars
2 for a niclel. Pure Chocalate with no wrappers. Nothing could compete with them for the amount you got. A little Chunkie came out around 1950 which I would never buy as a kid, they screwed you for a little piece in foil paper for 5 cents. no way. If anything that got me into understanding weights and measures.
EG: Coke 8oz./Pepsi 12oz., for a nickel. Guess which one I drank. Taste had nothing to do with it.

POST OTHER GREAT BUYS FOR A NICKEL. If onlt I had a time machine.
1428) Louise
Red Hook
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Hi everyone...I know there are alot of people living on Staten Island who are on here or have family and friends. My daughter lives on Staten Island and called me earlier tonight. A neighbor who has a little girl rang her bell and told her that her little girl was being lured in a white car with the story of free pizza. He had a woman in the car with him. Thank God the child ran away. The Mom called the police and she was told they didn't have enough man power to cruise the area BUT warn friends and family. What a shame!!! I knew right away that I had to get on here and let everyone know what is going on. Just let every one know about this jerk and the idiot girl who is going around with him. Thank God for this site. Louise

madeline f 10-10-2006 09:08 AM
what area of staten island did this take place ?
it those matter, but i would like to know anyway.
thanks for putting it on the site i hope they take these jurks down

madeline f 10-10-2006 09:19 AM
Tommy B
i went on the web site and it was a grocery store site please look at it again and give me the site
how is alfred and wifew doing ?
please give him my best

Tommy B. 10-10-2006 02:57 PM
Hi Louise thanks for the info, but like Mad said ,what part of S.I; Mad this is for you, maybe your spelling was wrong but keep trying the web site is Manhattan, as for Alfred, he & Teri are doing good ,they just moved into a new home & have been kind of busy, hopefully he will be on the site soon. Take care!

Louise 10-10-2006 11:22 PM
Hi guys....sorry about not putting the area down, it was Doungan Hills. Louise
1427) Christine Alongi
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This is a belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY to my Cousin Esther and her husband John. Maddy's party was definitely one jumping party..

Love, Esther 10-9-2006 10:33 PM
Thank you Christine, I am truly blessed with such a loving family.

The party looked wonderful as did the pix of Angela and Robert's baby girl.
1426) De Bock
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Does anyone know if the SS United States Cruise ship ever docked in Red Hook? I was recently in Philadelphia and she is sitting under the Walt Whitman Bridge in bad shape and Norwegian cruise lines has purchased her but no work is being done. She must have been a beauty in her day and she had more power than the QM1. If anyone has any original photos or knows where to find them, please e-mail me. Thx.

Patty Cozzati 10-9-2006 11:31 AM
If you go to, type in SS United States Cruise Ships, you'll get quite a few hits and I'm sure many of them have pictures. I know Wikipedia does. Perhaps the docking info is there also.

John Burkard, Red Hook... 10-10-2006 03:46 AM
DeBock - To my recollection, Both the America and the United States always docked at the U.S.Lines Pier at what was then known as Pier 88 North River (Hudson River)at 48th St. The Cunard Line was a little further north for the originl Queen Mary, and Queen Elizabith
I don't remember where the French Liner Normandie was, somewhere close by, when it as destroyed by fire. Later that was towed to Red Hook, and sat under the Grain Elevater for over three years before being finally scrapped.

John Burkard, Red Hook 10-10-2006 03:50 AM
DeBock - The trick was to subtract 40 from the pier number and that would give you the Street. I'm not sure either if this applys today.

De Bock 10-11-2006 09:37 PM
Thanks for the info John and Patty. The lines, windows and exterior of this ship were so prominent even in it's state of deterioration. I thought she may have docked at one time across at 253 Conover Street Anyway, I've sent the recent photos I took to the Ocean Liner Museum at the South Street Seaport to drum up interest in the restoration of this ship.
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